Curse

Abel Nucci · Aug 13, 2007, 11:53 AM // 11:53

From Wiki:

[edit] GuildWiki Notes
This update temporarily disabled the reconnect feature in the game to prevent further exploitation of a trade bug that allowed players to duplicate items using reconnection.

Tijger · Aug 13, 2007, 11:55 AM // 11:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilkingsky

I'm all for that, if it's possible. If there IS a way to ONLY PUNISH the dupers then of course I would be for it. But it doesn't seem likely as the dupers have already traded around to legitimate users, and most likely have multiple accounts that they could have stockpiled their duped items on.

So, assuming you are right which I think is a mighty big assumption which I dont share but lets for arguments sake do so, you would suggest just to 'punish' these nefarious people to take away everything from all players over the last month.

I'm sorry but I dont see that as an acceptable solution and I highly doubt Anet would see that as viable either.
If the responsible people cannot be traced then so be it, I can live with that, rather a few that illegally obtained lots of (fake) money then stripping hundreds of thousands from their, however minor, archievements over the last month.

Fr_3_aK · Aug 13, 2007, 12:00 PM // 12:00

Lots of people still play diablo 2, and it's been hacked to buggery. Im sure GWs will soldier on. What will kill it is a rollback.

Anet even went to great lengths to make Arm Braces easier to obtain, this is just a nice simple way give the people what they want. The more there are, the cheaper they'll be. Stop crying.

Mini pets? You're all QQing for more of them (except me idgaf) so YOU GOT YOUR WISH. Besides anet plans to release more anyway soon enough.

Lastly, im sure Anet can easily run a program to find all the people who duped items, they'll get what's coming to them.

Reubenm7 · Aug 13, 2007, 12:01 PM // 12:01

Quick Fix to problem: Make the trader trade 15 gem sets for a new item other than Armbrace, and make all old tormented have common skins like Starter weapons

Gaile, Karlos, I want you to quote me and tell me my idea is the best, cuz really it is, only the Uber rich would get shafted who did it legit, which, in that case, they can do it again when this takes place, i know a lot of other stuff got duped supposedly, but people right now, in the after math are still buying knowingly duped braces, make them pay!! sides, hell of a lot better idea than a roll back and DoA would be back in full swing...OTHER PEOPLE TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK

Leonhart · Aug 13, 2007, 12:01 PM // 12:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abel Nucci

From Wiki:

[edit] GuildWiki Notes
This update temporarily disabled the reconnect feature in the game to prevent further exploitation of a trade bug that allowed players to duplicate items using reconnection.

The feature that people added so if they disconnected they could reconnect to a mission?

Oh noes!

viscus · Aug 13, 2007, 12:03 PM // 12:03

i can see the whole dilemma of the economy, i can see the dilemma of ppl thinking they will never be able to own all the 1337157 gear, what i dont see, is all the fuss over a couple of stupid tiny char models that do absolutely nothing but show how stupid you are for spending so much money on a stupid tiny char model that does absolutely nothing........ yes i mean the damn panda and kanaxai. oh and also, they were meant to be more-or-less TROPHIES, why in the hell would you wanna own someone elses trophy? seriously......

btw, tormented shields are purple and gay :P gimme plagueborn, guardian or outcast shield any damn day of the week ^^

evilkingsky · Aug 13, 2007, 12:08 PM // 12:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tijger

So, assuming you are right which I think is a mighty big assumption which I dont share but lets for arguments sake do so, you would suggest just to 'punish' these nefarious people to take away everything from all players over the last month.

I'm sorry but I dont see that as an acceptable solution and I highly doubt Anet would see that as viable either.
If the responsible people cannot be traced then so be it, I can live with that, rather a few that illegally obtained lots of (fake) money then stripping hundreds of thousands from their, however minor, archievements over the last month.

I can tell you haven't read any of my previous posts, probably because its a huge thread, but I said a short rollback of a few days to a week. I agree 1 month is definitely not reasonable, especially because I think the exploit has only become widespread recently. I just feel that something definitely needs to be done to the exploiters, they should not get away with no penalty. I'd rather have a short rollback then to have nothing happen to them at all. If A-net could punish them w/o the rollback , then awesome.

Karlos · Aug 13, 2007, 12:11 PM // 12:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reubenm7

Gaile, Karlos, I want you to quote me and tell me my idea is the best, cuz really it is, only the Uber rich would get shafted who did it legit, which, in that case, they can do it again when this takes place, i know a lot of other stuff got duped supposedly, but people right now, in the after math are still buying knowingly duped braces, make them pay!! sides, hell of a lot better idea than a roll back and DoA would be back in full swing...OTHER PEOPLE TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK

I read the suggestion waaay back in like Page 4 or something of this thread, it is not mine, however I don't have time to look for the original poster right now. If it was your idea then kudos to you, I think it's a good idea personally.

Leonhart · Aug 13, 2007, 12:12 PM // 12:12

Its like finding a needle in a hay stack, the only way to maybe find one of the original people duping is if they check the chat logs to some one bragging about it, then again it isn't entirely 100% accurate.

FrAnt1c² · Aug 13, 2007, 12:19 PM // 12:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonhart

Its like finding a needle in a hay stack, the only way to maybe find one of the original people duping is if they check the chat logs to some one bragging about it, then again it isn't entirely 100% accurate.

To check the chat logs would be impossible to do, because with about 500k active players in GW, it would be too much of an effort.

With this hack, it means that " unique " minipets are no longer unique as panda's or kanaxai etc, can be duplicated? Hate to say it, but I agree with above as in my opinion a rollback is the only possibility. To find all the players that have used this exploit is simply impossible. And punishing half of them and letting the other half get away with it isnt quite fair aswel isnt it?

vergerefosh · Aug 13, 2007, 12:20 PM // 12:20

Whilst I know it's caused bad things to happen to the economy etc, going to be annoying to those of us who have just achieved certain goals, e.g. just took a char through GoM and Abaddons Gate within the last week.

From the looks of the update notes, the problem has been fixed, and evidence will be seen within the next few days if they keep it up. However whilst prices have been affected, if this exploit has been removed slowly the ambraces will filter out into the general community and peoples stacks will gradually diminish

Hyper.nl · Aug 13, 2007, 12:20 PM // 12:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reubenm7

Quick Fix to problem: Make the trader trade 15 gem sets for a new item other than Armbrace, and make all old tormented have common skins like Starter weapons

Gaile, Karlos, I want you to quote me and tell me my idea is the best, cuz really it is, only the Uber rich would get shafted who did it legit, which, in that case, they can do it again when this takes place, i know a lot of other stuff got duped supposedly, but people right now, in the after math are still buying knowingly duped braces, make them pay!! sides, hell of a lot better idea than a roll back and DoA would be back in full swing...OTHER PEOPLE TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK

I hate this idea. I hold a valid Tormented Staff which is the result of around a month of trading and farming. Getting it removed would totally disappoint me. Argh, why has this issue been undetected for so long...

Additionally, the problem is not limited to armbraces and tormented items. The smarter dupers are very likely to have duped other items that have been slipped into the economy unnoticed...

nutsngum · Aug 13, 2007, 12:20 PM // 12:20

Such explosions in these types of games have always fascinated me. The most bewildering part is that this has happened in GW - not because I was moronic enough to assume that Anet would be infallible, but because the game/nature of items barely lends itself to this sort of thing. Having a quadrillion ecto, armbraces, or whatever else... leads to, wait for it, ZERO impact on gameplay. You can have ecto studded armor, req 7 crystalline swords, or an inventory of torment items but you still have 60 AL, and you still do the same damage. At least in games like Diablo 2 more expensive items typically meant you could kill thing faster, or better, or gain some statistical advantage, no matter how insignificantly small or stupid. For all intents and purposes, this doesn't exist in GW.

The "high end" economy, and I use the term super loosely to describe anything that costs more than 1k, (with a few exceptions like rune prices) has never, ever, been about anything but meaningless aesthetics. When it comes down to it, the hysteria and shouts that the game is ruined emanate from the fact that people have spent an inordinate amount of time and emotional investment ("worked" or "farmed forever!") for a few shinier looking skins or worse yet, "req7-8-9" items and the insipid idea of minipets. I mean sure, I can see the fun in collecting and having rare things, but how much fun can you really have standing in town and having people admire your minipet? Do people REALLY feel like it's some measure of accomplishment that their sword says "req 7" instead of "req 10"? For crap's sake, it doesn't even do anything!

If you've logged thousands of hours because you enjoy the game, then sit down and shut up, nothing has changed. If you've been striving to be "rich" since the beginning, then surely you SHOULD have known that one day, your empire of items would be worth NOTHING - be it because of game changes, the unlimited influx of new items, or a simple matter of time. If you logged tons of hours and spent for things you consider "pretty", guess what, they're still pretty. If you spent hundreds of hours working for a minipet or that req 8 crystalline and you feel empty now... consider the fact that you spent hundreds of hours working... for a minipet or a sword that says "req 8" instead of "req 13". No one's time has been wasted any more or any less since Friday, or since June because the [/I]very pursuit of games is to pass some time[I]. This isn't armageddon, get a grip.

makosi · Aug 13, 2007, 12:22 PM // 12:22

Lots of people are selling cheap armbraces. Is it wrong for me to buy one?

wickedele · Aug 13, 2007, 12:23 PM // 12:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutsngum

Such explosions in these types of games have always fascinated me. The most bewildering part is that this has happened in GW - not because I was moronic enough to assume that Anet would be infallible, but because the game/nature of items barely lends itself to this sort of thing. Having a quadrillion ecto, armbraces, or whatever else... leads to, wait for it, ZERO impact on gameplay. Ecto studded armor, req 7 crystalline swords, an inventory or torment items but you still have 60 AL, and you still do the same damage.

The "high end" economy, and I use the term super loosely to describe anything that costs more than 1k, (with a few exceptions like rune prices) has never, ever, been about anything but meaningless aesthetics. When it comes down to it, the hysteria and shouts that the game is ruined emanate from the fact that people have spent an inordinate amount of time and emotional investment ("worked" or "farmed forever!") for a few shinier looking skins or worse yet, "req7-8-9" items and the insipid idea of minipets. I mean sure, I can see the fun in collecting and having rare things, but how much fun can you really have standing in town and having people admire your minipet? Do people REALLY feel like it's some measure of accomplishment that their sword says "req 7" instead of "req 10"? For crap's sake, it doesn't even do anything!

If you've logged thousands of hours because you enjoy the game, then sit down and shut up, nothing has changed. If you've been striving to be "rich" since the beginning, then surely you SHOULD have known that one day, your empire of items would be worth NOTHING - be it because of game changes, the unlimited influx of new items, or a simple matter of time. If you logged tons of hours and spent for things you consider "pretty", guess what, they're still pretty. If you spent hundreds of hours working for a minipet or that req 8 crystalline and you feel empty now... consider the fact that you spent hundreds of hours working... for a minipet or a sword that says "req 8" instead of "req 13". No one's time has been wasted any more or any less since Friday, or since June because the [/i]very pursuit of games is to pass some time[i]. This isn't armageddon, get a grip.

Kudos to you.

Renegade26 · Aug 13, 2007, 12:24 PM // 12:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by makosi

Lots of people are selling cheap armbraces. Is it wrong for me to buy one?

I reckon you could get away with buying one (its still a risk), but im not sure you would keep the armbrace. You may keep the weapon if you swapped quickly.

Cacheelma · Aug 13, 2007, 12:26 PM // 12:26

how cheap? I might get in to buy one if it's at an acceptable price.

Hyper.nl · Aug 13, 2007, 12:26 PM // 12:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by makosi

Lots of people are selling cheap armbraces. Is it wrong for me to buy one?

Argh. ANet better shuts down the servers and remove the duped items or rollback this day. If not it gets more and more difficult to track the duped items.

Reubenm7 · Aug 13, 2007, 12:30 PM // 12:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by makosi

Lots of people are selling cheap armbraces. Is it wrong for me to buy one?

This is exactly why i want all existing Tormented's to be turned into Starter Skins, He knows they're duped, and hes going to probably pay 30k for 1, which is ridiculously low, and be content that he has a tormented, free and clear, while others have spent months like some good people on this thread have already posted, ooo and about my idea of making the trader take a different item other than armbrace, what do you think of "Legbrace of Truth"?

TabascoSauce · Aug 13, 2007, 12:32 PM // 12:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutsngum

Such explosions in these types of games have always fascinated me. The most bewildering part is that this has happened in GW - not because I was moronic enough to assume that Anet would be infallible, but because the game/nature of items barely lends itself to this sort of thing. Having a quadrillion ecto, armbraces, or whatever else... leads to, wait for it, ZERO impact on gameplay. Ecto studded armor, req 7 crystalline swords, an inventory of torment items but you still have 60 AL, and you still do the same damage. At least in games like Diablo 2 more expensive items typically meant you could kill thing faster, or better, or gain some statisitical advantage, no matter how insignificantly small or stupid. For all intents and purposes, this doesn't exist in GW.

The "high end" economy, and I use the term super loosely to describe anything that costs more than 1k, (with a few exceptions like rune prices) has never, ever, been about anything but meaningless aesthetics. When it comes down to it, the hysteria and shouts that the game is ruined emanate from the fact that people have spent an inordinate amount of time and emotional investment ("worked" or "farmed forever!") for a few shinier looking skins or worse yet, "req7-8-9" items and the insipid idea of minipets. I mean sure, I can see the fun in collecting and having rare things, but how much fun can you really have standing in town and having people admire your minipet? Do people REALLY feel like it's some measure of accomplishment that their sword says "req 7" instead of "req 10"? For crap's sake, it doesn't even do anything!

If you've logged thousands of hours because you enjoy the game, then sit down and shut up, nothing has changed. If you've been striving to be "rich" since the beginning, then surely you SHOULD have known that one day, your empire of items would be worth NOTHING - be it because of game changes, the unlimited influx of new items, or a simple matter of time. If you logged tons of hours and spent for things you consider "pretty", guess what, they're still pretty. If you spent hundreds of hours working for a minipet or that req 8 crystalline and you feel empty now... consider the fact that you spent hundreds of hours working... for a minipet or a sword that says "req 8" instead of "req 13". No one's time has been wasted any more or any less since Friday, or since June because the [/I]very pursuit of games is to pass some time[I]. This isn't armageddon, get a grip.

QFT!

Very good, salient post.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce